This is a very instructive interview.
Note how Ellison never answers the question about sharia primacy.
He won't, and he gets a pass on that from the host because if he answers, he gives away the whole kit and caboodle.
It reminds me of CAIR spokesmen being asked if Hizballah, or Hamas are terrorist organizations.
They can't and won't answer, because they don't see them as terrorists at all, and that's their truth and they don't want it out there for the public at large, only for times among friends. Those are their most honest and truthful moments.
Demographics are destiny.